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Big Grin Wednesday, 27 September 2023 > E-65 Registered Members:
Posted by: Bogor - Yesterday, 04:44 PM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (2)

Dear Mike ChatGBT Poulos, is it really so hard to understand that some people get emotional when they are fed one fat lie after another right to their face?

I understand it well, and it's incredible that you haven't been beaten up yet.

Actually, I didn't want to comment on your usual blabla, but the one about having to program KYC, ROFL.

KYC and KYB software is something you buy and install out of the box. Your "lawyers" have installed all your members, oh no, in the ChatGBT universe it's called Clients ;-), on the "lawyers'" IT systems, which you have mentioned many times before.

Here is the first one out of many hits from Google.

And it does not cost much :-) but you can probably get those who still believe in your tall tales to send a few more USD to you, you must be running low on funds by now.

Hi All,

I know everyone is very anxious and waiting and many have emotions running high.

Speaking of emotions running high, emailing me and admin on a daily basis or Telegram etc, is not helping anyone.

Yes, I did say 6 to 8 weeks.

Yes, I did say funds were and are in escrow.

Yes, again, like each time I give a date, it takes longer than thought and here we are again with emotions running high.

This KYC thing is not an easy system to set up. We are not using an off the shelf KYC system as the lawyers want in on their own servers.

Several people think they they can do it in a few days or weeks. Well, I am not a programer and I have no idea what is involved in this but one thing I can say and this from personal experience, programming never goes as planned. Developers say a week, it is two week or more. They say a month, well, it will be longer.

There are also other issues at hand that I am not able to talk about but it is not problems, just issues.

Once there is news, as always, I will let you know but please stop asking for daily updates and please give some breathing space to admin.

Thank you


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Posted by: Bogor - 08-09-2023, 03:33 PM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (2)

Once again, nonsense for gossip! A so-called politician's response, a lot of words but no concrete content. I think Admin D is Mike on ChatGPT because if you're an administrator, you know what's happening, especially what isn't happening.

A "funny" little thing is that you are no longer a member but a client now.

Legally, the difference between a client and a member depends on the context in which these terms are used.


A member is typically a person or entity that has entered into a formal agreement or contract with an organization or association to become a part of it.
Members often have certain rights and privileges within the organization, such as voting in decision-making processes, access to exclusive resources or services, and duties in accordance with the organization's rules and purposes.

Client Relationship:

A client is typically a person or entity that enters into a business or professional relationship with a service provider or advisor.
In a client relationship, the client may pay for specific services or advice and typically has the right to expect a certain level of confidentiality and professionalism from the provider.

So concretely, your rights as an E65 member are now reduced to being a client with fewer rights than a member.

Dear Clients,

The NDA  people have just been updated on their progress.  As we have mentioned many times before the E65 people will start process as soon as the NDA (Grams) group have been paid out.

This small update is mainly for the members here who donated to Mike via the GFM that helped Mike out when needed. These people will also be refunded at the same time or just after the NDA (Grams) clients are paid out.

All clients and members who have donated to GFM and are to be paid out in this batch will be notified of the sending address of the email from the law firm. If anyone gets an email before being notified on the Channels here, then you can be sure it is not from us.

This will be happening soon for the GFM people. I cannot give a firm time as we are waiting on the law firm to finish some beta testing.

Now would be a good time to check that your ID is up to date.  I do not know at this time, but will try to find out, exactly what the requirements for ID and KYC will be.  It is usually Drivers Licence and/or Passport. So if you need to update anything, now would be a good time to get these ready.

All the best,

Admin D

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  E-65 Registered Members: URGENT UPDATE AUG 23rd 2023
Posted by: Bogor - 29-08-2023, 08:48 AM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (2)

As they say, it takes one to know one!

I find it amusing that a scammer like Mike Poulos comes out to warn against other scammers. If you've kept even a slight eye on this joke called E65 that started in early 1999, about 25 years ago, you'll know that there are still a few who believe that Mike Poulos will make them rich. It's these naive individuals who partly keep Mike going and also attract other scam artists.

And no, dear lovely stupid and naive Admin A, B, or whatever letter today, there is not just one individual who sends data my way; there are many. And how do I know? Elementary, dear Admin Watson. I receive daily private messages as well as a lot of emails from the followers of "E65", "Plus, I'm fucked again by Mike Poulos 20" and other scams with whatever names Mike's scams were/are.

There's only ONE way for Mike to change his reputation as a simple thief, and that is to share REAL information – bank names, law firm names, and so on. But we both know dear Admin Whatever, that he can't. 

Mike hasn't done an honest day's work since he drove a limousine in Canada, and with zero income, one can wonder how the beggar Mike Poulos can afford expensive lawyers, and legal experts, not to mention the massive setup needed to reach out to all those who have sent him a lot of money over the years – money that should be reimbursed. Everything costs money, and the few dollars Mike manages to beg for will in no way be able to cover these expenses. And that's valid information, something that can be investigated, as anyone can consult a lawyer and inquire about these costs.

You, dear Admin, whatever letter you use today, can be truly glad that there are still members who are more naive than you are!!


Dear Clients and Members,

We wish to bring to your immediate attention an important update as of August 23rd.

It has come to our notice that certain individuals have been receiving correspondence appearing to be from Mikes Law Firm.

We urge you to exercise caution and disregard any emails of this nature until both Mike and I confirm the readiness of the lawyers to proceed.

Regrettably, there appears to be an individual within our community who is actively working against the success of our program. This individual has been working covertly to hinder the significant progress that Mike has achieved in recent years.

Such actions are deeply disappointing, and we must all remain vigilant when dealing with emails that raise suspicion.

Please be aware that when the communication from the lawyers is indeed ready, it will address you by your name. However, it's important to note that the final sign-off from Mike is still pending. As a result, any emails claiming to be from the lawyers at this time are not authentic.

We implore you not to share any personal information or engage in any correspondence. Should you happen to receive such communications, we kindly request that you inform us promptly at admin@e-65.info.

Your understanding and cooperation are greatly appreciated.


Admin D

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  E-65 Registered Members: UPDATE AUG 22nd 2023
Posted by: Bogor - 23-08-2023, 09:12 AM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (1)

Just a lot more of the same blabla

Hi All,

It has been approximately four weeks since the last update.

As I mentioned in the previous communication, the funds are currently in escrow with the lawyers. They are diligently working on calculating the amounts for everyone and gathering all the necessary information. Once this is complete, they will begin sending out emails to clients.

Please note that this pertains to clients of the gold platform, NOT the e-65 gold or e-65 members. These programs will be addressed once Grams is done.

Simultaneously, they are setting up a Know-your-customer (KYC) process. KYC procedures identify and confirm that a customer is who they say they are. It's a multi-step process and it needs to be incorporated into the lawyer's system so that they have all the relevant information on each person that will be getting paid. This process is similar to what one would encounter when creating an account with a cryptocurrency wallet or a bank using a mobile phone.

Once everything is ready, the emailing process will commence.

It's important to understand that there are over 300 accounts in Grams.vc, including older platforms that were not joined to grams.vc. Many clients have multiple accounts under them, such as Gold, Silver, BTC, and cash accounts. All of these need to be calculated and consolidated for each client, with clear explanations provided. The calculations must also be rechecked to ensure accuracy, and fees must be deducted to arrive at the final totals for each account.

I must also address an ongoing concern. Some of you emailing admin on a daily basis is not helping and is increasing the level of stress to them. They have no more answers than what is provided in these updates. I have asked you many times to limit these emails. Adding to the Admin's stress is also adding to my stress, and we do not need any more stress than we already have. They are there however, for genuine questions and concerns that you may have.

I also want to state that I have full and utmost trust in our Admin. There are some things that I have told them in confidence, and they have NEVER, EVER betrayed my TRUST in anything. There are also many things that I am just not able to say to anyone, including our Admin, and to be honest, it is very FRUSTRATING not only to them but to me also as I have no trust issues with them.

The admin has been there for your every need, seven days a week for the past 2 1/2 to 3 years and have received way too much abuse from some people, and that, to be honest, is not fair at all.

If it was not for them, there would be no emails from you to the Admin. If it was not for them, there would be far fewer updates. If it was not for them, I would have quit so many times, and then all you would have is nothing until the lawyers were ready. Ah, but wait if I had quit, then where would we all be now? You, Me? Sure, all without our funds, and you would have had to figure it out by yourselves. Yeah, that would have been fun for you all, but guess what? Admin and I are here for you, and other than some abuse that they get, they do not get much else. They are not paid for doing this each and every day. Neither am I, or anyone else.
Yes, we all will be paid, and Admin will be very happy on that day, as will I, as will everyone else, so we have to wait. Admin are Grams and E-65 clients also so they know the frustration first hand.,

Sure, waiting is no fun. You can say you have been waiting these past 2 1/2 years. As we all have, and again, as a reminder, I did that without being with my family. Would you have done that?

In regard to the donations to the GFM (Go Fund Me) campaigns, rest assured that these will be processed with the grams.vc payments. There are hundreds of donations sent, and all of these need to be accounted for, and people that are not in grams.vc will also need to have a KYC done for this. For these people, including grams.vc, when E65 is ready for KYC, at least these people will already have the KYC done. > E-65 Registered Members: At this time, I do not anticipate any delays. The projected time frame remains 3 to 6 weeks, and I am still expecting completion within the 6-week window. If any delays occur, I will be informed, and I will promptly communicate that information to you. However, I doubt that there will be any delays, as I would have been notified already.
Again I am addressing Grams clients above but have allowed this to be posted to E-65 and the Ex foundation people so that you have a picture of what is happening.

In closing, I kindly request that you refrain from emailing the admin immediately after the 6-week period with inquiries about the status. Your patience and understanding are greatly appreciated.

Thank you,


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  E-65 Registered Members: Note from Admin:
Posted by: Bogor - 23-08-2023, 09:09 AM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (2)

I took my first IT course in 1987 and have been working with IT ever since. Today, I am a senior consultant at Denmark's largest IT company, managing 38 specialized IT technicians.

I copied the text from the so-called Admins and projected it onto a large screen. Everyone burst into laughter because you'd have to search very far to find such nonsense.

I can locate a person if they are on a closed network or if they log onto a closed network via VPN. However, since this is not the case with the many scams developed and run by Mike Poulos, it's only possible to track you down if you use your real name in connection with the email address you registered with Mike in the first place.

So, dear admin, I have one word for your ridiculous threat - BULLSHIT!!!

We are now approaching the conclusion of this process, and have known for some time that one or more infiltrators, including someone named Rhys, are disseminating update information to certain forums.

This action is in direct violation of the Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) signed years ago. If you have any knowledge of the identity of these individuals, please contact the admin immediately. We will then notify the law firm of this breach, allowing them to address it in an appropriate legal manner. Any information received will remain confidential.

Please also note that we have knowledge of all persons who are members of these forums. Don’t think that hiding behind a username and burner email will protect you, there are ways for us to know who you are. These people will also be dealt with accordingly.

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  Important Notice Regarding E-65 Records Queries
Posted by: Bogor - 21-07-2023, 08:37 PM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (1)

It's dangerous to read such an update while having my morning coffee HAHAHAHA Legal team LMAO, and I almost choked on my coffee HAHAHAHA.

These admin teams could perform in any Stand Up Comedy tent, they are truly entertaining on an early Saturday morning.


Dear All,

We understand many of you have been inquiring about your E-65 records. Your concerns vary from wanting to understand the number of people under the E-65 scheme, to inquiries about the specific amounts you are set to receive, and various other related topics.

As the Administrative team, we want to clarify that we do not hold all the specific details you are asking about. The information related to E-65 records is maintained by our legal team, who are best equipped to address your queries and concerns accurately and efficiently.

Once the lawyers have reached out to you, you will have the opportunity to ask them any questions you might have about your E-65 records. They are experts in the field and can provide comprehensive responses to your concerns.

In light of this, we kindly request you refrain from emailing the Admin team with E-65 related inquiries. Unfortunately, we are unable to provide answers to these questions and, due to the high volume of emails, we are struggling to respond promptly to each one.

We thank you for your understanding and patience during this time.

Best regards,

Admin Team

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Posted by: Bogor - 19-07-2023, 06:10 PM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (1)

Below an AI text that Mike has tried to correct and personalize, which is reflected in the spelling errors. Big Grin

And once again a pile of words that say nothing about anything, just as it usually is. In 5 days and 5 months, it's Christmas and I will send out my usual Christmas greeting and nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody has seen even a Russian ruble.

RV seem also to be a blabla

Enjoy the blabla  Cool I will enjoy my last week in Jakarta for this time.


Hi All,

This is just a quick update to let you know that the Grams and Gold programs are almost at payout. I had a long meeting with my lawyer on Monday where we mostly discussed the proceedings for the other programs. The wait has been long and arduous and I realise that you have waited the longest.

It was my pleasure to update the NDA clients this morning that their wait is almost over and that payout will start in a couple of weeks once the final accounting is completed and they will shortly receive their introductory emails from the law firm..
For you this means that E-65 is also one step closer.

In fact I am pleased to tell you that all the accounting has been done and all accounts have been finalised. This was a huge job and I am pleased to say it is ready.
However, we still do not have the funds transferred to the lawyers and this will take some time as we have seen with the other program.

Process of E-65 will begin once all the Grams clients have been processed. I cannot give you a time on this yet as it is unknown how long it will take.

Again I thank you for your patience and look forward to updating you further in the near future.

Best regards,


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Sad It's so sad that it's hilariously funny.
Posted by: Bogor - 07-07-2023, 02:03 PM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (1)

It can't possibly come as a surprise to anyone that there is a delay because there has been one since March 1999!

Mike, if you're waiting for the RV and think that the RV can save your sorry ass, then you're 70% dumber than a piece of plywood. The RV is as credible as your E65 because the RV is also a scam.

1 rupiah does not turn into 1 US dollar, and I'm sorry to be the one breaking the news to you.

And to everyone else, there are more delays coming, and even though it's summer vacation here in Jakarta, I have no issues with my Visa/Master Credit Card whatsoever, so that's probably the lamest and most ridiculous excuse (lie) I've heard in a while.

Great holidays to all - also Smelly Fish.


Hi All,

There has been a delay in the transfer of funds that are for the first phase of payout. Please NOTE this is nothing to do with E-65 nor the Traded Gold.

We have been waiting on these funds for some time and they were due this week. However it seems that there is a delay due to the holidays in the US and here in Canada as well. We are hoping for the transfer to be completed by next week.

This update is for the wider picture and it does not involve E-65 at the moment. The only benefit to you is that once this first phase is done, the lawyers can move onto the E-65 process.

Can you please keep the emails to my Admin at a minimum as they are down with flu at the moment. They already serve you 7 days a week, so I ask for some understanding at this time.

When the first transfer happens, you will be updated soon afterwards. Constant asking will not make it happen any sooner. It is totally out of my control and I have to wait along with everyone else.

My understanding is that the GFM payments will be included in the first phase however I have no information on how this will be approached. You will be updated when the time comes.

I appreciate your patience at this time.



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Smile E65 UPDATE JUNE 20, 2023
Posted by: Bogor - 21-06-2023, 05:53 AM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (3)

Funny enough, it suddenly isn't Admin A, B, C, D, E... Å who releases updates for the super busy businessman.  Big Grin

Dear All,

I hope this message finds you well. Today, I had an insightful meeting with our legal team discussing the developments that took place up until last week.

I am pleased to announce that funds for grams have been authorized for release into the lawyer's escrow account. A dedicated account is in the process of being established in New York, specifically for our funds. This set-up should reach completition within the week.

Simultaneously, another account is being prepared in Canada.

Here's what to expect: All the funds will first be transferred to the US account. Upon receipt, an account sufficient for sending to our US-based clients will be reserved.

The remaining funds will be transferred to Canada, where they will converted into Canadian currency.

Following this, I will receive my advance and head home. The subsequent process is expected to kick off within one to two weeks, based on my understanding.

We have identiied around 10 to 20 individuals from various global locations to monitor the payment process and ensure there are no banking issues.

Rest assured, all requisite documentation will accompany every banking transfer.

Once the funds have been successfully moved to Canada, those who have chosen to receive Bitcoin will have ir processed. The exchange rate applied will be the prevailing rate on the day of purchase and sending.

Our priority will be to process all those who supported me with GFM, followed by clients of grams.vc and former platforms. Please note that this DOES NOT include those who traded gold from E65.

After completing this phase, we will restart the process for E65.

The legal team will be sending out emails to all individuals who completed the Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) a few months ago. Those who did not complete the NDA will be addressed following this.

Upon the initiation of this process, I plan to take some well-deserved time off to spend with my family. During this period, I will be unavailable for contact.

Our legal team has agreed to collaborate with my Admin team moving forward and they should be initiating contact soon.

When that time comes, I will be sharing my final update, expressing my gratitude for your patience, and wishing you a brighter future with the upcoming funds.

While there is still work to be done, I am hopeful that my next update will be from home.

Thank you all for your support and patience!



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Bug E-65 and E-65 Traded Gold UPDATE June 11th 2023
Posted by: Bogor - 20-06-2023, 07:01 AM - Forum: Mike Poulos E65/+20K/VSB scam - Replies (5)

Dear All,

It was a busy week for the law firm as they met to work on the process of funds for the Gold programs. Their meetings will spill over to next week and I hope to have some more news in a few days.

The issues are complex and there is still some work to do.
The funds in discussion are due to be transferred to the lawyers' escrow account in a week or so. I cannot give adate on that as it is unclear just when this will happen. To ensure clarity, these funds pertain solely to the Grams program, NOT the E65 Gold Investment or E65 program.

However, the significance for you as E-65 members is that once the 5 Gold programs are done then they will move onto the E-65 process. As mentioned before, there are only 270 people in the first group, and it should be done fairly smoothly once the lawyers have the funds in their account.  When the Grams clients are paid, the lawyers can then put their full attention to the E-65 program.

Those that contributed to the GFM fundraising will also be paid in this first phase.  This was a life saver for me and my family and I want to thank you all once again from my heart for your support during this time.

For those that have enquired about the repayment of the PLA's that occurred over the years, these will be paid out with E-65 also.

I will mention here that the E-65 funds have been sitting waiting for this time and are not subject to the scrutiny that the Grams program was. They will of course need to be looked at by the powers that be, and taxes taken out, but there will not be this tussle  over the funds that we have had to date.

When the lawyers receive the funds for the Gold Programs, I will be paid an advance while they work on sorting out my entire account. Then the A Listers will be paid and then the Grams and other Gold clients will be paid. I realise all this has nothing to do with you, but I would like to include it hereso that you can see the bigger picture and how everything is progressing.

Once I receive my advance, I will provide one final update before returning home. From there on, the lawyers will take over communication. They, like myself, are likely to appreciate your continued angagement and open lines of communication with my Admin Team. However, please do not flood the Admin with questions at this time. There is little more they can tell you apart from what I have shared above. We do not have a timeframe for the payout of E-65. It will be a big job and I have signed this over to the law firm to complete.

They have done an amazing job so far even though it may seem to be at a snail's pace.  it is moving toward to completition. I don't expect too much government interference with E-65 and the only mitigating factor now will be the complication of circumstances by you the clients. I know they are many and varied and the lawyers will need to meet all your needs which is going to take time.

I want to thank you for your patience over these past years and I know that it has been a long and tough road for all of us.  But I see no reason now that this program will not reach a conclussion. The order of payout was not my choice and had to be done this way for legal reasons. I know you the members have waited the longest and it seems unfair that you and you are the last to be paid. However, your patience will be rewarded.

I will shortly be putting up an invitation to join the program I introduced a few months back. I have mentioned to you before that I would introduce a couple of programs for those interested and this is one of them. This could be a way for some to have an investment that will tide them over until E-65 is complete and be a great passive income for your funds should you decide to reinvest once you are paid.

There will be more on this shortly.

I will give an update once I receive my funds and then the lawyers will be handling all the process and you will be contacted when they are ready.

On another note, the Admin will shortly be deleting the Bullion Channel.  THis used to be made up of the E-65Traded gold clients nd the Grams Gold clients. It became too confusing now that these are very separate programs and some time back, we created a new Channel solely for the Grams clients.

As the E-65 Traded Gold clients also have their Ex-Foundation channel for updates, we feel that the Bullion Channel is no longer needed.

I am looking forward to full resolution to all funds and thankyou again for your patience.



Hi All,

As promised, below is a program update for the AI project I started a couple of months back. The last time I put this up on the Channels it caused a lot of confusion and many thought it was not from me. Well, it was from me but the presentation was written by an AI.

Since then a number of members have joined the program and are already enjoying their monthly payouts. Some of you mentioned that you were confused as to why I would be promoting another program when payout is close to starting. The thing is, I don't need the money but I just want to share with you something that is working and paying so that you can join this now with a view to the future when you may be looking for an investment for your funds that is safe.

Last year I said that there would be some oportunities coming your way that I would share with you. This is one of them. That is all there is to tell. These types of projects interest me and it gives me something to do to fill my day. There may be more in the future.

You are not obliged to do anything and I understand many of you are strapped for cash at the moment, that is fine. You can join up after you have been paid. Totally up to you. The only requirement will be a basic knowledge of how Bitcoin works.  Further help with wallets and transfers can be provided on asking.

Please read below.



If you[re intrigued and haven't yet become a memberof btci.cx we have a unique opportunity for you.  Any new members joining without a referral will be strategically placed under an existing member.

Our system operates on a time and date basis, meaning we'll assign the most recent joiners under the earliest ones. However, we prioritize those who have already invested in BTCi.cx.

Please note, there's no obligation to join or invest. This information merely outlines our method of assigning new members to existing ones, specifically for those without a referral link from another client.

The reason we're presenting this opportunity now is that once the payouts for grams and E65 are complete, you'll have the chance to reinvest some of your earnings from these two programs.

The minimum investment is 0.005 Bitcoin, which is currently worth approximately USD $130. One of the unique features of BTCI.cx is its investment structure. For instance, if a member invests $10,000 in Bitcoin,  they receive a 15% return. However, if someone they invite invests more than they did, they'll receive a 10% return on their invitee's investment up to the first $10,000.

You're free to refer others at any time, but keep in mind that if you haven't invested, you won't receive any returns from the investments made by your invitees.
Remember, you have the freedom to reinvest your earnings or contribute more at any time.

All earnings are paid directly into your wallet. If you're ready to join, there's no need to invest immediately. Simply sign up, and if you encounter a payment page, close it and return to the site. You'll then be able to log into your dashboard.

If you do decide to invest, you'll be given priority over new, non-paying clients without any investment deposits.

To register, simply visit btci.cx navigate through the website, and complete the registration process. It's that straightforward.

Thank you.

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