Once again a ton of useless crap. Most people that live in the west, and with an IQ above 10, knows that all kind of travels cost a lot more, even double up from June to September as it’s the freaking summer season. Next I wanna go to HK, why is it that Mike have to look into this matter? Is it that he wants to put more dollars in his own pocket - again. 

Now I’m not a member, and I ,ay have lost a lot in translation, but I strongly believe that HSBC wanted to SEND out the packages from a local branch, so why waste time and money going to Hong Kong? In closing Mike Poulos there are lots of other airline companies and it is possible to travel on economic, we are not all in a position where we steal a lot of money and only fly first class.




I do ask all of you to remember that I am the messenger here so please do not take your anger out on me. 

All I can tell you all is that we are moving forward like no one  has ever before.
Regarding the Ex Fdtn members, there was also an other issue with the travel agents.

This is in no way putting any delays on anything from what I have explained above but so far, most of the agents that have been approached have been very greedy in regards to pricing the tickets.
So, as examples, say you were to go to HK on Business from June 1, return on June 8, a ticket would cost about USD$6,000 on Business and $12,000 on first class return. The agents we were looking at was over $8,000 for business and $15,000 for fitst.
This is just one example.

The people in HK are looking at going directly to Cathy Pacific for travel for the Ex Members as travel agents that they have looked at so far have been way off in the pricing.

If any of you have doubts, please feel free to go to Cathy Pacific web site and check for your self.
Now, there is a reason for us using Cathy Pacific and once you get to HK, you will understand it.

I can give more examples but I think that one is enough for this.
Again, this has nothing to do with where we are as all packages to to all members be it by snail mail or courier needs to be settled before anyone travels.
Bottom line for everyone here, we are working so that everyone gets what is due and we are working to get it done as fast as possible.

I know that there will be a few of you complaining so please do not put your frustration upon me as I will not accept it and I will send it back to you in ways you will not accept...

Fair Warning.

I am only the messenger here.

For the rest of you that do UNDERSTAND that the world we live in is not the same as it was 10 or 20 years ago, I thank you for your understanding.

Happy Easter,

MIKE

Hi All

I was expecting to do this by tomorrow evening my time but I got the go ahead today so here we are.

OK, so, the packages are all ready to go out.

Any change of address to be submitted should be done here:

https://forms.gle/zjzV9bZeKmt3SRCKA

Please do so without delay. This form will be removed without notice. If you have a change of address after this form is removed, sorry but too bad.......

Before the packages go out, Hong Kong needs to make sure that there will be no issues with Customs in any country.

What this means is that they need to check with customs pretty much world wide about the packages.

There are banking documents, debit cards, foundation documents and believe me, your country of residence will want to see what is in these packages.

Yes, they will know what you are getting but we did mention that taxes etc was not out problem.

People with foundations, Individual and Family, you will be fine as long asd your funds are over seas. We did say all along that when you take funds hiome, you will be held responsible for them.

To avoid any problems or issues, the shippers will be checking with all of your countries regarding the documents you will be receiving.

This is the world we live in today and by far, it is not fun for any of us.

For anyone wondering why this is needed, well, here is the explanation:

All snail mail, courier or any other packages going to any country will pass customs in your country. There is no way around this. (Feel Free to check on this is you wish)

So, to avoid any unpleasant surprises, it was decided that Hong Kong would advise each and every country of what they are sending out, +DOCUMENT WISE+ so that once they arrive, there would be no issues.

If there are issues, we will know in advance and will be able to work with them to be able to send out all the documents.

You may say that "Hey, I have sent out documents many times and have never had a problem" I would agree with you but I would also ask you if you have ever sent pout 1,000's of packages at one time? 

Love to know the answer to that....

At any rate, we do not expect any issues but then you never know from some countries and I will not mention them.

Things have changes in the past 10 to 20 years or so and it take much longer to send a document overseas.

One example, I sent a simple document to ST. Louis in the US last week and it took 7 days via FedEx... Use to take 3 days. I also sent one to NZ the same day and ot took 6 days to get there do imagine over 14,000 packages going out.

Years ago it would of taken 3 to 4 days at most...

Now, to make thins easier, all doc going out will be sent from your home country. So what will happen here is that all docs going to the US will be sent fromt he US, all docs going to Canada, will be sent from Canada, All doces going to Australia or any other country will be sent from that country.

What this means is that any one getting snail mail, will get your docs from USPS in the US from the US, if from NZ, they will be sent from NZ, if from Sweden, then sent from Sweden etc.....

With the courier option, all form Hong Kong.

This will make it faster but sill needs to go via your home country customs and that is the issues that Hong Kong is working on.

This will take a little time and I have no idea how much time it will take but it will get done.

This is the final line of defenece people. We are here. We need to get though this final hurdle and we are there.

Now, for the Ex Fdtm members, once this is done, we will get the travel notice.

Yes, I did say over  and over March or April and even the past few days I keep on this but since the packages need to be sent at the same time that we are in HK, there is nothing that I can do about this.

Some of you will be upset or even angry and so be it.

We can not get out of stuff done without the packages safely sent out to the members here.

This is the reason I am texting the Ex Fdtn Members on this update and not on the Private channel so that everyone knows what is going on.

Who the fuck cares Mike Poulos? Pay the members their money and rather Yesterday than tomorrow.




HI All,


I will be away from Sunday to Thursday and then the following Monday to Friday. Nothing to do 
with the program but if anything comes up, I will be posting here.

Thanks
MIKE

Another totally useless blabla. I wonder Why, he not only waste our time, but also his own time, as he knows we know. I guess that Mike Poulos has been lying about this for so many years that he strongly believe in his own lie.


Hi Everyone, 

Still no changes. Still looking at March or April but in my opnion, since we are already ending the first week, I wouuld say April but this is my opinion.

I do not expect any other update till last week March but if I do have, I will let you all know.

Thanks

MIKE

CAUTION/WARNING

He will ask for payments to get "our documents"

As happened so many times before, Mike sends out a red wine update, which causes some well-founded criticism, so Mike Poulos acts as he usually does.

He starts poking people out and hanging them out in public. He has actually been doing this many times before, among other things, he called my wife for a whore, a prostitute, in another former forum (The BKK forum). The only reason he did that was that he tried to make a hit on her, and she refused big time. 

Mikey don't like when people tell him what a small little failure he is.
As a result, Jeff Gordon writes an email to Mike Poulos explaining that Mike (again) has crossed the line - again.

At the same time, the red wine growers are relieved and Mike Poulose is sending out another blabbla, and because some have allowed themselves to point out Mike Poulos's scam, everyone must be penalized and therefore the next so-called updates will not contain blablablaballblabblabel, but only blabla.

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Hi All,



So many responses good and bad or indifferent so please let me reply to this a little.

First, the other day I was very frustrated by getting the emails from the members that I posted here. That was only two of many and I apologies for that.

As you can see, I also get frustrated and it has taken a toll on me too.

To make you all understand, these 8,000 people will be getting a letter same as the member that have not submitted an ID. If they reply, fine, if not, well, nothing anyone can do.

There are legal issues here that most of you have no idea about.

There are also other issues like say if the packages were sent now and then they sent the others, not much would be getting done as most of you would then be contacting the lawyers in HK, the banks, etc.... Asking all kinds of stuff and no one would have time to do anything to help anyone as most of you would be calling them......

Once the packages are out, you then have access to contact info for the people in HK.... With all the emails I get, not to mentions the emails Jeff gets, I can only imagin it will be 1000 times more for them.

These are not delays that are happening.

Had I just said that we expect everything to go out in March or April, I would of NOT HAD one email about people complaining.Instead, I was honest with you all telling you as much as possible and what did that give me, TOTAL Hardship from quite a few of you so THANK YOU FOR THAT......

I guess that since I know how human nature is, next time I will only give the bare minimum to make sure that I do not get the shit end of the stick like I have so many times and I apologies right now if I offend anyone.

I guess that for many, giving all the news I am asked to give is not worth it for anyone so best I keep it as brief as possible.

In the mean time, once packages are ready, I will update with only what is really needed to tell you, not more, not less.

To some by private messages, I may give more info as I currently do with some....

Hope you can all appreaciate my position and again, I DO APOLOGISE if I offended anyone the other day and Apologise if I offend anyone in the future.

MIKE

First of all, I will gladly take over, I mean back to square 1 = 6 weeks later there will be pay out, as it was the promise back in march 1999. So anyone, let Mikey boy know that the great dane can and will take over!!!

Little poor Mikey is pissed, as people starts to understand that there is no foundations, and that all money from day one always ends up in Mikes pockets. We all have to understand that little Mikey cant have this crap - the crap he and he alone started. 

MIKE BE A MAN FOR ONCE AND ADMIT THAT THERE NEVER WAS ANYTHING BUT A SCAM!!! 

On the other hand who do I fool here, Mike will never show up as a man, as he is a pussy!! 

Also notice That everybodys friend Jeff Gordon, who have worked the last 20 years for free   for Mike Poulos, is the SPOC, and guilty as hell when it comes to put your money in his pocket.

Anyhow below newest bull shit from Mike!


Seems quite a few are really pissed off so my question is, anyone want to take over???

I can promise you that anyone taking over from my duties will put everything back to square one and I am fine with that.

After this message, there will be two people that are really not happy and I will post the emails
of anyone with the same feelings.

MIKE



From: xxxxxxx@gmail.com

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:33:22AM +0200, xxxxxxx wrote:

Hi Jeff,

What a sad update the last one from Mike is. I find it a blatant slap in the face to all the loyal policy holders who did everything to the word in what they were told to do. Myself and all the people I am assisting have done everything to the letter as was requested from us. We were told that Foundations will be paid out first, now that seems to be a lie ??? Some people had to take out loans to pay for these Foundations !!!! My question is why must the people who did everything right now be punished for those who didn't ???? The feeble saying of " that is the way it is" is most certainly bad business ethics.

They keep on kicking the tin down the road and in this event they keep holding up people now for changes of addresses, what a stupid scenario. People are changing addresses constantly and the longer they take the more they will get.

I want you to please forward this letter on to Mike, I certainly feel that he is now overplaying his hand and the people are getting nervous.

I can imagine what cock and bull story we will be getting by end of April.

Thank you,

Lxxx.



From: xxxxxxxx@gmail.com

Hi Jeff,

I feel like I have been punched in the guts with the update from Mike
today. I was so excited when he said 6000 packages are ready to go, then a
big BUT come in and I just screamed out loud Lord No, how can he think this
way, after 20 years of waiting, we who did everything that was asked of us,
now have to wait another 2 months or more for those who can't do any thing
right. We have supported Mike all along, with the PLA's when he needed funds
years ago, done all he has asked of us virtually straight away, waited
patiently, now we get punished because the others can't seem to do a darn
thing that is asked of them. Why is it so hard, they had plenty time and
Mike extended the closing off date a several times for them. It is those
8000 who have made the mess not the 6000 who are ready to go, it is the 8000
who should be made to wait not the 6000. This is absolutely not right to do
this to us at this time now. If Mike sent the 6000 out, this would surely
make the 8000 get cracking and get things done don't you think?
I don't go along with what Mike said quote"  Sorry for anyone not happy with
that but that is the way it is going to be. Think about it if you were one
of these people we are trying to get done also but because you were not in
that first 6,000, you would be lost.... We are trying to do everyone here in
one shot."    

How would they be lost, if he had a separate address for those 6000 to send
their returned packages to, that would work fine. How can they possibly be
lost, makes no sense to me that statement.  We have already waited 20 years
for this, I am sure you can understand how angry this decision has made me
now, what will the next hiccup be to delay it even more when the end of
April comes and more and more members lose their homes, because some silly
buggers still can't get things done and right. It is not logical to make the
6000 who did what they were asked of, to wait for the stragglers. I want you
to forward this email to Mike and beg him to reconsider and send those 6000
packages out asap to give us some confidence in him, and it will make the
8000 get off their butts and get things done pretty smartly too.
Thank you

Kind regards

Bxxxxxx



Now, Garry had sent Jeff an email but it was more clarification then anything else and Jeff did reply to him so there is no need to post Garry's email here as Jeff did reply properly and I am sure that Garry understood.
asking questions are and have always been fine. Bitching and whining is really not and I am tired of it.

As I said, lets put this back to step one and anyone wanting to take over are welcome to do so..... I surely can use the break from all this crapo

MIKE

Once again a lot red wine nonsens and I serioulsly doubt that Mike Poulos have been in HK what so ever. By the way I just came back from my winter holiday - we spend 3 days at the most expencive caribian cruise. Basically none can say its not true, as none can confirm it. Anyhow we were not on a caribian cruise.

Below a lot of nonsens once again, and the most stupid part here is that a bank like HSBC holds back financial instruments that in fact will be a good business for bank. A bank that holds 6.000 OR SO funds (if any) back in order to look up your adress hmmmmmmm.

Anyway here it is. notice Mike states "Quite a bit to say...." and then a lot of blablabla, nothing about where is your money :-)


Hi All,



Back form HK.

Quite a bit to say so here I go.

First, just over 6,000 plus packages are ready to go. From that 6,000 just over 2,000 will have the complete package for these members and you will need to send back what ever is required.
The other 4,000 or so packages are just letters requesting you to confirm your identity before you get a full package.

Those of you that have already confirmed your ID will get the full package. This was when there was the email and google form for you to do so. Those of you that DID NOT confirm your ID will only get the letter requesting you send your ID to Hong Kong.
So, these packages are ready but we are not expecting them to go out till March or April and I will explain below.

There are still many members that still had accounts, about 8000 or so confirmed. The people in Hong Kong still need to confirm addresses for many of these from the update contact form and other means.  They have put a time limit till end of April for that.
Other than the update contact form, they are also verifying all addresses as there are many members using one address with different family names. This needs to be done to avoid any mis deeds by anyone.

Also, many will be coming forward after members have received packages and as human nature, many of you will be sending emails to Hong Kong saying that so and so did not get a package and this is who they are and this is where they are etc.... All these members have to be taken care of also and the more that they get, the more work will be needed in Hong Kong.
I know that there will be some of you that will complain to either me or someone else asking why if there are already 6,000 ready now are not sent now? Well, as I said, packages are ready but there are still others to do and they will all be sent at the same time.

On the last update, when I mentioned that they were 75% done, they were, on the 6,000 packages. It was then decided today when I was there to help as many people as possible to get the packages done for as many people as possible.

Sorry for anyone not happy with that but that is the way it is going to be. Think about it if you were one of these people we are trying to get done also but because you were not in that first 6,000, you would be lost.... We are trying to do everyone here in one shot.

Just for anyone really complaining that this is not fair, please think about my reply if you email me or anyone else.....

Once I have more info, I will share here.

Thank you

MIKE

I am not surprise the recent Mike's update as below. This is just a scammer at work. Please dont fool by him. If you miss a scheduled train/bus, you will wait for the next train/bus. It is not a lost like what he said. No one will wait for everybody because there is always somebody cannot come on time or missed a schedule. This is just a trick we have to wait so that to take care of everyone. This is why we waited for 20 years. They will never get it done.
 
Hi All,

Back form HK.

Quite a bit to say so here I go.

First, just over 6,000 plus packages are ready to go. From that 6,000 just over 2,000 will have the complete package for these members and you will need to send back what ever is required.

The other 4,000 or so packages are just letters requesting you to confirm your identity before you get a full package.

Those of you that have already confirmed your ID will get the full package. This was when there was the email and google form for you to do so. Those of you that DID NOT confirm your ID will only get the letter requesting you send your ID to Hong Kong.

So, these packages are ready but we are not expecting them to go out till March or April and I will explain below.

There are still many members that still had accounts, about 8000 or so confirmed. The people in Hong Kong still need to confirm addresses for many of these from the update contact form and other means.  They have put a time limit till end of April for that.

Other than the update contact form, they are also verifying all addresses as there are many members using one address with different family names. This needs to be done to avoid any mis deeds by anyone.

Also, many will be coming forward after members have received packages and as human nature, many of you will be sending emails to Hong Kong saying that so and so did not get a package and this is who they are and this is where they are etc.... All these members have to be taken care of also and the more that they get, the more work will be needed in Hong Kong.

I know that there will be some of you that will complain to either me or someone else asking why if there are already 6,000 ready now are not sent now? Well, as I said, packages are ready but there are still others to do and they will all be sent at the same time.

On the last update, when I mentioned that they were 75% done, they were, on the 6,000 packages. It was then decided today when I was there to help as many people as possible to get the packages done for as many people as possible. 

Sorry for anyone not happy with that but that is the way it is going to be. Think about it if you were one of these people we are trying to get done also but because you were not in that first 6,000, you would be lost.... We are trying to do everyone here in one shot.

Just for anyone really complaining that this is not fair, please think about my reply if you email me or anyone else..... 

Once I have more info, I will share here.

Thank you

MIKE

Mike you little FF - where is the info regards payout? just another bunch of blabla and most people give a shit if you are traveling or not. Show them the money - nothing else! No more Bull shit blabla

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Hi All,



OK, Packages are about ready. I have not been told as to when they will go out but I am tolds that they are very close.

I have been asked to go to HK next Monday and I expect to have more news by mid week next week.

I am really hoping that this is my last trip before geting this done.

If it is what I am expecting, then upon my return, I should have a travel date for the Ex Fdtn Members.

All for now.

MIKE