Fake News, Rumors and Lies.

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It happens I talk to Martin-Argentina and VSBVictim either via email or phone, and I can inform you that when you put our information together, logic pictures appear.

I can not elaborate on where Martin and VSBVicitm get their information from, but I get mine from the former chief programmer who was employed by Mike, and he can tell what lies behind, how the IT systems were built to cheat the members, especially when it came to the scam called ComShares.

Then I have information from people who are really close to Mike, but they are also people who are not so happy when the talk comes to Mike, and therefore there is always a probability that this information is based on emotions and not facts.

So when I hear that Mike has not been out traveling for the last 12 months, it's not the same as fake news, but it's not necessarily carved in stone either.

When VSB Victim writes Mike is detained in the US, it is because VSBVictim's informants told him so, plus all the other information that wasn't told here, and these untold informations fits with the informations I have, so MAYBE its true, but no one wants to put up their faces and confirm what ever, because deep inside way to many still dream of the pay out day - and that will never occur - and this isn't fake news!!

American-e65-scammed and Cramer instead of scolding and giving explanations that no one bothers to use this forum, so come up with solutions!

I pay about 120 usd a year for this forum, the money I could easily use for is new shirt a year instead, but for the last 8 years I have paid for this madness.

My suggestion is that we could, for example, choose Martin-Argentina (or anyone) as treasurer, and then raise enough funds to put a private detective to track down and document Mike Poulos' doings when it comes to travel activity as well as businesses.

It should be quite simple to find out which of the celebrities in Jakarta Mike Poulos has cheated, likewise, it should not be impossible to break any "red tape" to find out if Mike has traveled or not.

When we look back to 1999 - that is 22 years back in time, it is not me, or VSBVictim who has or should have problems with the truth, because it is not us who promised 20,000 usd for payment after 6 weeks. And then there is just about everything else, like Plus20k, VSB, funds and VIP foundations, useless bank cards and much more.

So instead of picking on those who are now readers of this forum (about 700 readers daily), maybe it was an idea to come up with solutions?

Mine is that we raise a few thousand dollars and get Mike's former chief programmer to fix a private detective?

Bogor
You never fail to amaze me with the amount of times you jump about with your opinions.

I am not quite sure what solutions you are looking for or for that matter would provide any closure to this sordid little saga, but I don't believe that paying anonymous people i.e. VSB detective, thousands of dollars for information that they may have that would be relevant.  My opinion is that if someone has information that they have paid for by themselves there is a reason that they did it and trying to extort money from members who are clearly hurting from their own losses is not a humanitarian thing to do. It sounds more like a desperate attempt to recover their own losses.
As you have clearly stated in the past any successful legal action would more than likely be fruitless due to the length of time and the lack of factual information not to mention the cost.

Don't get me wrong I think we all know after such a long time that it is extremely unlikely that we will see anything for Mr Poulos and please do not try and misconstrue my words to make it look otherwise.
The only time I have been anything other than supportive on this forum is when the so called moderator sensors members comments with nothing more than a dictatorial attitude that smacks of BIG BROTHER.

I am sure that I speak for all members of this forum in saying thank you for keeping this platform open for all to read and discuss this matter, but if you feel that you are not being appreciated for what you have put into this or the cost has become prohibitive then I would say that you have two options. 

Either close the forum or solicit for subscriptions from members who are genuine in there search for answer's. I open it up to the forum for their opinion