As happened so many times before, Mike sends out a red wine update, which causes some well-founded criticism, so Mike Poulos acts as he usually does.

He starts poking people out and hanging them out in public. He has actually been doing this many times before, among other things, he called my wife for a whore, a prostitute, in another former forum (The BKK forum). The only reason he did that was that he tried to make a hit on her, and she refused big time. 

Mikey don't like when people tell him what a small little failure he is.
As a result, Jeff Gordon writes an email to Mike Poulos explaining that Mike (again) has crossed the line - again.

At the same time, the red wine growers are relieved and Mike Poulose is sending out another blabbla, and because some have allowed themselves to point out Mike Poulos's scam, everyone must be penalized and therefore the next so-called updates will not contain blablablaballblabblabel, but only blabla.

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Hi All,



So many responses good and bad or indifferent so please let me reply to this a little.

First, the other day I was very frustrated by getting the emails from the members that I posted here. That was only two of many and I apologies for that.

As you can see, I also get frustrated and it has taken a toll on me too.

To make you all understand, these 8,000 people will be getting a letter same as the member that have not submitted an ID. If they reply, fine, if not, well, nothing anyone can do.

There are legal issues here that most of you have no idea about.

There are also other issues like say if the packages were sent now and then they sent the others, not much would be getting done as most of you would then be contacting the lawyers in HK, the banks, etc.... Asking all kinds of stuff and no one would have time to do anything to help anyone as most of you would be calling them......

Once the packages are out, you then have access to contact info for the people in HK.... With all the emails I get, not to mentions the emails Jeff gets, I can only imagin it will be 1000 times more for them.

These are not delays that are happening.

Had I just said that we expect everything to go out in March or April, I would of NOT HAD one email about people complaining.Instead, I was honest with you all telling you as much as possible and what did that give me, TOTAL Hardship from quite a few of you so THANK YOU FOR THAT......

I guess that since I know how human nature is, next time I will only give the bare minimum to make sure that I do not get the shit end of the stick like I have so many times and I apologies right now if I offend anyone.

I guess that for many, giving all the news I am asked to give is not worth it for anyone so best I keep it as brief as possible.

In the mean time, once packages are ready, I will update with only what is really needed to tell you, not more, not less.

To some by private messages, I may give more info as I currently do with some....

Hope you can all appreaciate my position and again, I DO APOLOGISE if I offended anyone the other day and Apologise if I offend anyone in the future.

MIKE

First of all, I will gladly take over, I mean back to square 1 = 6 weeks later there will be pay out, as it was the promise back in march 1999. So anyone, let Mikey boy know that the great dane can and will take over!!!

Little poor Mikey is pissed, as people starts to understand that there is no foundations, and that all money from day one always ends up in Mikes pockets. We all have to understand that little Mikey cant have this crap - the crap he and he alone started. 

MIKE BE A MAN FOR ONCE AND ADMIT THAT THERE NEVER WAS ANYTHING BUT A SCAM!!! 

On the other hand who do I fool here, Mike will never show up as a man, as he is a pussy!! 

Also notice That everybodys friend Jeff Gordon, who have worked the last 20 years for free   for Mike Poulos, is the SPOC, and guilty as hell when it comes to put your money in his pocket.

Anyhow below newest bull shit from Mike!


Seems quite a few are really pissed off so my question is, anyone want to take over???

I can promise you that anyone taking over from my duties will put everything back to square one and I am fine with that.

After this message, there will be two people that are really not happy and I will post the emails
of anyone with the same feelings.

MIKE



From: xxxxxxx@gmail.com

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 09:33:22AM +0200, xxxxxxx wrote:

Hi Jeff,

What a sad update the last one from Mike is. I find it a blatant slap in the face to all the loyal policy holders who did everything to the word in what they were told to do. Myself and all the people I am assisting have done everything to the letter as was requested from us. We were told that Foundations will be paid out first, now that seems to be a lie ??? Some people had to take out loans to pay for these Foundations !!!! My question is why must the people who did everything right now be punished for those who didn't ???? The feeble saying of " that is the way it is" is most certainly bad business ethics.

They keep on kicking the tin down the road and in this event they keep holding up people now for changes of addresses, what a stupid scenario. People are changing addresses constantly and the longer they take the more they will get.

I want you to please forward this letter on to Mike, I certainly feel that he is now overplaying his hand and the people are getting nervous.

I can imagine what cock and bull story we will be getting by end of April.

Thank you,

Lxxx.



From: xxxxxxxx@gmail.com

Hi Jeff,

I feel like I have been punched in the guts with the update from Mike
today. I was so excited when he said 6000 packages are ready to go, then a
big BUT come in and I just screamed out loud Lord No, how can he think this
way, after 20 years of waiting, we who did everything that was asked of us,
now have to wait another 2 months or more for those who can't do any thing
right. We have supported Mike all along, with the PLA's when he needed funds
years ago, done all he has asked of us virtually straight away, waited
patiently, now we get punished because the others can't seem to do a darn
thing that is asked of them. Why is it so hard, they had plenty time and
Mike extended the closing off date a several times for them. It is those
8000 who have made the mess not the 6000 who are ready to go, it is the 8000
who should be made to wait not the 6000. This is absolutely not right to do
this to us at this time now. If Mike sent the 6000 out, this would surely
make the 8000 get cracking and get things done don't you think?
I don't go along with what Mike said quote"  Sorry for anyone not happy with
that but that is the way it is going to be. Think about it if you were one
of these people we are trying to get done also but because you were not in
that first 6,000, you would be lost.... We are trying to do everyone here in
one shot."    

How would they be lost, if he had a separate address for those 6000 to send
their returned packages to, that would work fine. How can they possibly be
lost, makes no sense to me that statement.  We have already waited 20 years
for this, I am sure you can understand how angry this decision has made me
now, what will the next hiccup be to delay it even more when the end of
April comes and more and more members lose their homes, because some silly
buggers still can't get things done and right. It is not logical to make the
6000 who did what they were asked of, to wait for the stragglers. I want you
to forward this email to Mike and beg him to reconsider and send those 6000
packages out asap to give us some confidence in him, and it will make the
8000 get off their butts and get things done pretty smartly too.
Thank you

Kind regards

Bxxxxxx



Now, Garry had sent Jeff an email but it was more clarification then anything else and Jeff did reply to him so there is no need to post Garry's email here as Jeff did reply properly and I am sure that Garry understood.
asking questions are and have always been fine. Bitching and whining is really not and I am tired of it.

As I said, lets put this back to step one and anyone wanting to take over are welcome to do so..... I surely can use the break from all this crapo

MIKE

Once again a lot red wine nonsens and I serioulsly doubt that Mike Poulos have been in HK what so ever. By the way I just came back from my winter holiday - we spend 3 days at the most expencive caribian cruise. Basically none can say its not true, as none can confirm it. Anyhow we were not on a caribian cruise.

Below a lot of nonsens once again, and the most stupid part here is that a bank like HSBC holds back financial instruments that in fact will be a good business for bank. A bank that holds 6.000 OR SO funds (if any) back in order to look up your adress hmmmmmmm.

Anyway here it is. notice Mike states "Quite a bit to say...." and then a lot of blablabla, nothing about where is your money :-)


Hi All,



Back form HK.

Quite a bit to say so here I go.

First, just over 6,000 plus packages are ready to go. From that 6,000 just over 2,000 will have the complete package for these members and you will need to send back what ever is required.
The other 4,000 or so packages are just letters requesting you to confirm your identity before you get a full package.

Those of you that have already confirmed your ID will get the full package. This was when there was the email and google form for you to do so. Those of you that DID NOT confirm your ID will only get the letter requesting you send your ID to Hong Kong.
So, these packages are ready but we are not expecting them to go out till March or April and I will explain below.

There are still many members that still had accounts, about 8000 or so confirmed. The people in Hong Kong still need to confirm addresses for many of these from the update contact form and other means.  They have put a time limit till end of April for that.
Other than the update contact form, they are also verifying all addresses as there are many members using one address with different family names. This needs to be done to avoid any mis deeds by anyone.

Also, many will be coming forward after members have received packages and as human nature, many of you will be sending emails to Hong Kong saying that so and so did not get a package and this is who they are and this is where they are etc.... All these members have to be taken care of also and the more that they get, the more work will be needed in Hong Kong.
I know that there will be some of you that will complain to either me or someone else asking why if there are already 6,000 ready now are not sent now? Well, as I said, packages are ready but there are still others to do and they will all be sent at the same time.

On the last update, when I mentioned that they were 75% done, they were, on the 6,000 packages. It was then decided today when I was there to help as many people as possible to get the packages done for as many people as possible.

Sorry for anyone not happy with that but that is the way it is going to be. Think about it if you were one of these people we are trying to get done also but because you were not in that first 6,000, you would be lost.... We are trying to do everyone here in one shot.

Just for anyone really complaining that this is not fair, please think about my reply if you email me or anyone else.....

Once I have more info, I will share here.

Thank you

MIKE

I am not surprise the recent Mike's update as below. This is just a scammer at work. Please dont fool by him. If you miss a scheduled train/bus, you will wait for the next train/bus. It is not a lost like what he said. No one will wait for everybody because there is always somebody cannot come on time or missed a schedule. This is just a trick we have to wait so that to take care of everyone. This is why we waited for 20 years. They will never get it done.
 
Hi All,

Back form HK.

Quite a bit to say so here I go.

First, just over 6,000 plus packages are ready to go. From that 6,000 just over 2,000 will have the complete package for these members and you will need to send back what ever is required.

The other 4,000 or so packages are just letters requesting you to confirm your identity before you get a full package.

Those of you that have already confirmed your ID will get the full package. This was when there was the email and google form for you to do so. Those of you that DID NOT confirm your ID will only get the letter requesting you send your ID to Hong Kong.

So, these packages are ready but we are not expecting them to go out till March or April and I will explain below.

There are still many members that still had accounts, about 8000 or so confirmed. The people in Hong Kong still need to confirm addresses for many of these from the update contact form and other means.  They have put a time limit till end of April for that.

Other than the update contact form, they are also verifying all addresses as there are many members using one address with different family names. This needs to be done to avoid any mis deeds by anyone.

Also, many will be coming forward after members have received packages and as human nature, many of you will be sending emails to Hong Kong saying that so and so did not get a package and this is who they are and this is where they are etc.... All these members have to be taken care of also and the more that they get, the more work will be needed in Hong Kong.

I know that there will be some of you that will complain to either me or someone else asking why if there are already 6,000 ready now are not sent now? Well, as I said, packages are ready but there are still others to do and they will all be sent at the same time.

On the last update, when I mentioned that they were 75% done, they were, on the 6,000 packages. It was then decided today when I was there to help as many people as possible to get the packages done for as many people as possible. 

Sorry for anyone not happy with that but that is the way it is going to be. Think about it if you were one of these people we are trying to get done also but because you were not in that first 6,000, you would be lost.... We are trying to do everyone here in one shot.

Just for anyone really complaining that this is not fair, please think about my reply if you email me or anyone else..... 

Once I have more info, I will share here.

Thank you

MIKE

Mike you little FF - where is the info regards payout? just another bunch of blabla and most people give a shit if you are traveling or not. Show them the money - nothing else! No more Bull shit blabla

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Hi All,



OK, Packages are about ready. I have not been told as to when they will go out but I am tolds that they are very close.

I have been asked to go to HK next Monday and I expect to have more news by mid week next week.

I am really hoping that this is my last trip before geting this done.

If it is what I am expecting, then upon my return, I should have a travel date for the Ex Fdtn Members.

All for now.

MIKE

Get ready

by march or april MIKE will announce we reach 100%

AND $50 to $100 fee to mail the documents by post or courier

GET READY

Mike just send out a new “update” That is so none saying, that I dont wanna waste time copy it in here. 

There are however 2 sentences That are useful, and that is “have a great weekend” and the other is “MIKE”

Does anyone remember when "updates" were being posted on the VSB site and in Oct. 2014 one of them said:

GET READY

That is all it said.  


What were we supposed to GET READY for??

And here we are 4 years and 3 months later.....

Namaste,
Soliel33

Hi all

This is free, so nothing to lose.

Please remember that we live in different time zones, so in worse case it can take up to 12 hours before you get your confirmation.

https://initiativeq.com/invite/SByjez8Xc

I have registered but cant by nature not know if it will pay out one day. At least it doesn't cost anything, so everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Initiative Q is an attempt by ex-PayPal guys to create a new payment system instead of payment cards that were designed in the 1950s. The system uses its own currency, the Q, and to get people to start using the system once it's ready they are allocating Qs for free to people that sign up now (the amount drops as more people join - so better to join early). Signing up is free and they only ask for your name and an email address. There's nothing to lose but if this payment system becomes a world leading payment method your Qs can be worth a lot. If you missed getting bitcoin seven years ago, you wouldn't want to miss this. 

I have been investigating a bit and here is the founder behind this initiative https://www.linkedin.com/in/saar-wilf-b8a227/

For those who dont have LinkedIn, a bit of the text below.

Saar Wilf Founder at Initiative Q

I join strong founding teams and together build companies that solve high impact problems. I take the position of Chairman and seed investor, and provide whatever assistance is needed, especially in: algorithms, product, business development, fundraising and strategy.



Some of the companies I seeded or co-founded: Fraud Sciences (acquired by PayPal), ClarityRay (acquired by Yahoo), Supersonic (merged with Iron Source), Crosswise (acquired by Oracle), Redhill Biopharma (NASDAQ: RDHL), Trivnet (acquired by Gemalto), Pointgrab, Deep Optics, CallApp, Moon Active and Creditstacks (all showing impressive progress, and attracted significant investments from leading investors). I also co-founded Wikiwand.com which serves over 4M users monthly. Four other startups were less successful and closed down.



New stuff I'm working on lately: 

1. Initiative Q - Creating a new payment network and global currency

2. Rootclaim.com - Using math and the crowd to analyze complex issues, far surpassing human reasoning.

3. Hardware enabling highly accurate gaze tracking, 

4. A new approach for indoor mosquito control.



Looking for an investment? Sorry, I'm not currently investing, but I'll be glad to connect you to many other angels. Just send me a summary and I'll forward it.


Specialties: Payments, Machine Learning, Probability, Computer Vision, Optics.

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Hi All,

So, good news that is that I will not need to travel again.

However, I did not get a date as to when packages are being sent out but they are getting the packages ready.

They want to have them all ready before sending any out so that they do not miss anyone.

This is a time consuming process.

From what I am told, everything else has been prepared.

There are a lot of members to do here and a lot of documents that need to be placed into each package, checked and so on.

We have all been waiting a long time and a little while longer should not be a issue for anyone.

I know that many of you are wanting this done today, as I do but today is not the day so please give the time needed to get this done.

In the mean time, if there is anything that comes up, I will let you all know.

Thank you and a Great new Year to all of you...

MIKE